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I have created eight themes in PPT 2007 for global use by my firm. The
colors, fonts and placeholders these deliver are common to three regions.
Each region requires its own a) logo JPG and b) disclaimer text box at the
bottom of title layout slides, both of which should live in the master and
title layout respectively. I had hoped to have these regionally specific
content elements come down from three region specific templates, and
everything else come from the eight themes. So we could have say, North
America, Europe and Asia templates, with the eight themes available in each.
However, both themes and templates have masters/layouts. So a template can
launch a new presentation with a desired logo and disclaimer in the master,
and one theme active, but as soon as you change the theme, the content which
was delivered via the template’s master/layouts, is blown away, and can’t be
refreshed: you can apply a theme, but not really a template. Can anyone
recommend a means of doing this? It seems clunky that each region would
require its own version of each theme, differing only by one graphic (the
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logo) and one text box (the disclaimer). That's 24 themes, instead of 8
themes available in 3 templates. Yes the logo and text box could come down
from the template as content directly in the slides, but all would be much
better served if they were in the master/layouts.

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Why not just provide the colors schemes and font schemes and let people
apply those as necessazry?

Slide masters and layouts are included with the theme, so yeah, they'll
override the template. The theme is basically the underlying structure for
the template. The only time you really need a template is if you need sample
content slides. Otherwise, the stuff would all come from the theme.

Sounds to me like each region should have a theme, and then you'd distribute
a bunch of color and font scemes to go along with and change those elements
as desired.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


"NY Law Firm Trainer" <NYLawFirmTrainer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
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message news:C730F101-3A8F-454C-9C5C-CD91416E4ED2@microsoft.com...
>I have created eight themes in PPT 2007 for global use by my firm. The
> colors, fonts and placeholders these deliver are common to three regions.
> Each region requires its own a) logo JPG and b) disclaimer text box at the
> bottom of title layout slides, both of which should live in the master and
> title layout respectively. I had hoped to have these regionally specific
> content elements come down from three region specific templates, and
> everything else come from the eight themes. So we could have say, North
> America, Europe and Asia templates, with the eight themes available in
> each.
> However, both themes and templates have masters/layouts. So a template can
> launch a new presentation with a desired logo and disclaimer in the
> master,
> and one theme active, but as soon as you change the theme, the content
> which
> was delivered via the template’s master/layouts, is blown away, and can’t
> be
> refreshed: you can apply a theme, but not really a template. Can anyone
> recommend a means of doing this? It seems clunky that each region would
> require its own version of each theme, differing only by one graphic (the
> logo) and one text box (the disclaimer). That's 24 themes, instead of 8
> themes available in 3 templates. Yes the logo and text box could come down
> from the template as content directly in the slides, but all would be much
> better served if they were in the master/layouts.

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The clincher is the themes also need to bring down an autoshape via their
masters, in some cases filled with an image. Could the graphics and text
boxes coming down from the templates have UserDrawn active in the XML (to
render them non-swappable), and the shape in the theme not have UserDrawn (so
it does swap)?

"Echo S" wrote:

> Why not just provide the colors schemes and font schemes and let people
> apply those as necessazry?
>
> Slide masters and layouts are included with the theme, so yeah, they'll
> override the template. The theme is basically the underlying structure for
> the template. The only time you really need a template is if you need sample
> content slides. Otherwise, the stuff would all come from the theme.
>
> Sounds to me like each region should have a theme, and then you'd distribute
> a bunch of color and font scemes to go along with and change those elements
> as desired.
>
> --
> Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
> What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
> Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
> PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx
>
>
> "NY Law Firm Trainer" <NYLawFirmTrainer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:C730F101-3A8F-454C-9C5C-CD91416E4ED2@microsoft.com...
> >I have created eight themes in PPT 2007 for global use by my firm. The
> > colors, fonts and placeholders these deliver are common to three regions.
> > Each region requires its own a) logo JPG and b) disclaimer text box at the
> > bottom of title layout slides, both of which should live in the master and
> > title layout respectively. I had hoped to have these regionally specific
> > content elements come down from three region specific templates, and
> > everything else come from the eight themes. So we could have say, North
> > America, Europe and Asia templates, with the eight themes available in
> > each.
> > However, both themes and templates have masters/layouts. So a template can
> > launch a new presentation with a desired logo and disclaimer in the
> > master,
> > and one theme active, but as soon as you change the theme, the content
> > which
> > was delivered via the template’s master/layouts, is blown away, and can’t
> > be
> > refreshed: you can apply a theme, but not really a template. Can anyone
> > recommend a means of doing this? It seems clunky that each region would
> > require its own version of each theme, differing only by one graphic (the
> > logo) and one text box (the disclaimer). That's 24 themes, instead of 8
> > themes available in 3 templates. Yes the logo and text box could come down
> > from the template as content directly in the slides, but all would be much
> > better served if they were in the master/layouts.
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>
>

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I have been advised that the answer to this question is "yes." I will be
building this out so will report back w/ results.

"NY Law Firm Trainer" wrote:

> The clincher is the themes also need to bring down an autoshape via their
> masters, in some cases filled with an image. Could the graphics and text
> boxes coming down from the templates have UserDrawn active in the XML (to
> render them non-swappable), and the shape in the theme not have UserDrawn (so
> it does swap)?
>
> "Echo S" wrote:
>
> > Why not just provide the colors schemes and font schemes and let people
> > apply those as necessazry?
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> >
> > Slide masters and layouts are included with the theme, so yeah, they'll
> > override the template. The theme is basically the underlying structure for
> > the template. The only time you really need a template is if you need sample
> > content slides. Otherwise, the stuff would all come from the theme.
> >
> > Sounds to me like each region should have a theme, and then you'd distribute
> > a bunch of color and font scemes to go along with and change those elements
> > as desired.
> >
> > --
> > Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
> > What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
> > Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
> > PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx
> >
> >
> > "NY Law Firm Trainer" <NYLawFirmTrainer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> > message news:C730F101-3A8F-454C-9C5C-CD91416E4ED2@microsoft.com...
> > >I have created eight themes in PPT 2007 for global use by my firm. The
> > > colors, fonts and placeholders these deliver are common to three regions.
> > > Each region requires its own a) logo JPG and b) disclaimer text box at the
> > > bottom of title layout slides, both of which should live in the master and
> > > title layout respectively. I had hoped to have these regionally specific
> > > content elements come down from three region specific templates, and
> > > everything else come from the eight themes. So we could have say, North
> > > America, Europe and Asia templates, with the eight themes available in
> > > each.
> > > However, both themes and templates have masters/layouts. So a template can
> > > launch a new presentation with a desired logo and disclaimer in the
> > > master,
> > > and one theme active, but as soon as you change the theme, the content
> > > which
> > > was delivered via the template’s master/layouts, is blown away, and can’t
> > > be
> > > refreshed: you can apply a theme, but not really a template. Can anyone
> > > recommend a means of doing this? It seems clunky that each region would
> > > require its own version of each theme, differing only by one graphic (the
> > > logo) and one text box (the disclaimer). That's 24 themes, instead of 8
> > > themes available in 3 templates. Yes the logo and text box could come down
> > > from the template as content directly in the slides, but all would be much
> > > better served if they were in the master/layouts.
> >
> >

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I have been advised that the answer to my question is "yes." I will build
this out and report results here.

"NY Law Firm Trainer" wrote:

> The clincher is the themes also need to bring down an autoshape via their
> masters, in some cases filled with an image. Could the graphics and text
> boxes coming down from the templates have UserDrawn active in the XML (to
> render them non-swappable), and the shape in the theme not have UserDrawn (so
> it does swap)?
>
> "Echo S" wrote:
>
> > Why not just provide the colors schemes and font schemes and let people
> > apply those as necessazry?
> >
> > Slide masters and layouts are included with the theme, so yeah, they'll
> > override the template. The theme is basically the underlying structure for
> > the template. The only time you really need a template is if you need sample
> > content slides. Otherwise, the stuff would all come from the theme.
> >
> > Sounds to me like each region should have a theme, and then you'd distribute
> > a bunch of color and font scemes to go along with and change those elements
> > as desired.
> >
> > --
> > Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
> > What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
> > Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
> > PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx
> >
> >
> > "NY Law Firm Trainer" <NYLawFirmTrainer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
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> > message news:C730F101-3A8F-454C-9C5C-CD91416E4ED2@microsoft.com...
> > >I have created eight themes in PPT 2007 for global use by my firm. The
> > > colors, fonts and placeholders these deliver are common to three regions.
> > > Each region requires its own a) logo JPG and b) disclaimer text box at the
> > > bottom of title layout slides, both of which should live in the master and
> > > title layout respectively. I had hoped to have these regionally specific
> > > content elements come down from three region specific templates, and
> > > everything else come from the eight themes. So we could have say, North
> > > America, Europe and Asia templates, with the eight themes available in
> > > each.
> > > However, both themes and templates have masters/layouts. So a template can
> > > launch a new presentation with a desired logo and disclaimer in the
> > > master,
> > > and one theme active, but as soon as you change the theme, the content
> > > which
> > > was delivered via the template’s master/layouts, is blown away, and can’t
> > > be
> > > refreshed: you can apply a theme, but not really a template. Can anyone
> > > recommend a means of doing this? It seems clunky that each region would
> > > require its own version of each theme, differing only by one graphic (the
> > > logo) and one text box (the disclaimer). That's 24 themes, instead of 8
> > > themes available in 3 templates. Yes the logo and text box could come down
> > > from the template as content directly in the slides, but all would be much
> > > better served if they were in the master/layouts.
> >
> >

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You should create three templates (potx file, one for each region that has
specific logo and disclaimer ) and also have whatever number of themes you
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want to use. If you use any of those design templates ( double click, or
save the template in office template folder ) it will open a PP file based
on that template and you can apply any theme .It won’t override your logo
and disclaimer. If you are familiar with programming ,this is also can be
done programmatically. I have automated a similar project using 5
international religions with different logos, date formats , maps, etc...
with hundreds of themes and background pictures.
--
Best regards,
Edward


"NY Law Firm Trainer" wrote:

> I have been advised that the answer to this question is "yes." I will be
> building this out so will report back w/ results.
>
> "NY Law Firm Trainer" wrote:
>
> > The clincher is the themes also need to bring down an autoshape via their
> > masters, in some cases filled with an image. Could the graphics and text
> > boxes coming down from the templates have UserDrawn active in the XML (to
> > render them non-swappable), and the shape in the theme not have UserDrawn (so
> > it does swap)?
> >
> > "Echo S" wrote:
> >
> > > Why not just provide the colors schemes and font schemes and let people
> > > apply those as necessazry?
> > >
> > > Slide masters and layouts are included with the theme, so yeah, they'll
> > > override the template. The theme is basically the underlying structure for
> > > the template. The only time you really need a template is if you need sample
> > > content slides. Otherwise, the stuff would all come from the theme.
> > >
> > > Sounds to me like each region should have a theme, and then you'd distribute
> > > a bunch of color and font scemes to go along with and change those elements
> > > as desired.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
> > > What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
> > > Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
> > > PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx
> > >
> > >
> > > "NY Law Firm Trainer" <NYLawFirmTrainer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> > > message news:C730F101-3A8F-454C-9C5C-CD91416E4ED2@microsoft.com...
> > > >I have created eight themes in PPT 2007 for global use by my firm. The
> > > > colors, fonts and placeholders these deliver are common to three regions.
> > > > Each region requires its own a) logo JPG and b) disclaimer text box at the
> > > > bottom of title layout slides, both of which should live in the master and
> > > > title layout respectively. I had hoped to have these regionally specific
> > > > content elements come down from three region specific templates, and
> > > > everything else come from the eight themes. So we could have say, North
> > > > America, Europe and Asia templates, with the eight themes available in
> > > > each.
> > > > However, both themes and templates have masters/layouts. So a template can
> > > > launch a new presentation with a desired logo and disclaimer in the
> > > > master,
> > > > and one theme active, but as soon as you change the theme, the content
> > > > which
> > > > was delivered via the template’s master/layouts, is blown away, and can’t
> > > > be
> > > > refreshed: you can apply a theme, but not really a template. Can anyone
> > > > recommend a means of doing this? It seems clunky that each region would
> > > > require its own version of each theme, differing only by one graphic (the
> > > > logo) and one text box (the disclaimer). That's 24 themes, instead of 8
> > > > themes available in 3 templates. Yes the logo and text box could come down
> > > > from the template as content directly in the slides, but all would be much
> > > > better served if they were in the master/layouts.
> > >
> > >